Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Wed, 4 Oct 89 03:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Wed, 4 Oct 89 03:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V10 #106 SPACE Digest Volume 10 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: Re: Flame On!!! Re: What to do with the $30 billion Re: space news from Aug 14 AW&ST Rep. ROBERT ROE -- looking for information Re: Risk of NOT launching Galileo Re: NASA and face data Flame On!!! Re: Space Station Strangles NASP Re: Shuttle to HEO or the Moon (was Re: Saturn V & F-1) Astronauts named for five space shuttle missions (Forwarded) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Sep 89 23:44:28 GMT From: rochester!dietz@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: Flame On!!! In article <28SEP89.11863199.0057.MUSIC@SDSUMUS> CC62@SDSUMUS.BITNET (Andy Edeburn) writes: >(2.) Fears of Infecting the Jovian System. > > How many of you people claim to be scientists? How many of you took >basic college biology or microbiology courses? Wake up! Most bacteria >or viruses do not survive in temperatures above 130 degress Celsius or >below -50 degrees Celsius. Seeing how temperatures in the vacuum go >farther beyond either of these two extremes, your fears of microbial >infection at Jupiter seem pretty ridiculous, don't you think? Do YOU claim to be a scientist? Many (all?) bacteria and viruses can survive cooling to cryogenic temperatures -- they just can't metabolize or replicate until thawed, rehydrated and placed in a more congenial environment. Hell, even mammalian cells can survive freezing, if properly protected (consider human embryoes frozen to liquid nitrogen temperatures). Do think before flaming, ok? Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 89 22:14:27 GMT From: prism!ccsupos@gatech.edu (SCHREIBER, O. A.) Subject: Re: What to do with the $30 billion What is the story about the meteorites findings in Antartica? I would like to know more about that. Thanks for the info. Olivier Schreiber (404)894 6147, Office of Computing Services Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!ccsupos ARPA: ccsupos@prism.gatech.edu -- Olivier Schreiber (404)894 6147, Office of Computing Services Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!ccsupos ARPA: ccsupos@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 89 20:25:14 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: space news from Aug 14 AW&ST In article <1394@syma.sussex.ac.uk> nickw@syma.susx.ac.uk (Nick Watkins) writes: >> This bird is at a lower >> altitude than the Lacrosse launched last year, and was deployed using the >> arm, which Lacrosse wasn't. > >Article in fact says it was other way round. I got the altitude right but the arm wrong -- just misread the paragraph. >OK. So I'm ignorant. Who is D.D. Harriman? D.D. Harriman was the fictitious protagonist of Robert A Heinlein's classic story "The Man Who Sold The Moon" -- a Carnegie-style robber-baron plutocrat who founded commercial spaceflight. > Meanwhile, I was beginning to >believe that Henry's summaries might be the on-line version of AW&ST >mentioned in "2010"... Afraid not. :-) McG-H would undoubtedly want money for that! (Although the typically-one-month delay between the cover date and my postings is mostly just how long it takes for me to receive, read, and summarize the issues, and the terseness is mostly just a matter of minimizing typing time, I also prefer to avoid any appearance of competing with the magazine itself.) -- "Where is D.D. Harriman now, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology when we really *need* him?" | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 89 21:28:01 GMT From: EWTILENI@pucc.princeton.edu (Eric William Tilenius) Subject: Rep. ROBERT ROE -- looking for information I'm looking for information on Robert Roe, head of the Science, Space, and Technology subcommittee. Specifically: * What is his voting record on key space votes? * What are his personal ideas? Visions for space? Attitudes? * What are his stands on different issues of interest to space activists? * Who are the people in his office or his committee that deal w/ SPACE issues? Please EMAIL all responses and information where possible -- thanks! - ERIC - Eric W. Tilenius | Princeton Planetary Soc. | ewtileni@pucc.BITNET 523 Laughlin Hall | 315 West College | ewtileni@pucc.Princeton.EDU Princeton University | Princeton University | rutgers!pucc.bitnet!ewtileni Princeton, NJ 08544 | Princeton, NJ 08544 | princeton!pucc!ewtileni 609-734-7677 | 609-734-7677 | DELPHI: TILENIUS ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 89 18:48:13 GMT From: bfmny0!tneff@uunet.uu.net (Tom Neff) Subject: Re: Risk of NOT launching Galileo If one assumes that a decision not to launch Galileo has no impact on the future launch of Mission To Earth, then comparing the RISKS of not finding out something about Jupiter's weather, thus not understanding something about Earth's weather, thus blundering into some weather related tragedy down the road, versus the RISKS of breaching the RTG, is not too impressive. There are other missions possible and planned to give us good Earth information. The purpose and value of Galileo is in other areas. Studying Jupiter needs to be evaluated as worth it or not on its own terms, not in terms of far fetched spinoffs and "risk comparisons," or else other pure research missions with no such glib connections are going to get KO'd. -- "We plan absentee ownership. I'll stick to `o' Tom Neff building ships." -- George Steinbrenner, 1973 o"o tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 89 13:14:24 PDT From: greer%utd201.dnet%utadnx@utspan.span.nasa.gov To: "space+@andrew.cmu.edu"%AMES.dnet%UTSPAN@utadnx.span.nasa.gov Subject: Re: NASA and face data Many thanks to Loren Carpenter for supplying the raw data for the Mars "face" images. I wrote a small program to help analyze the images and spent some time looking at them. The results of about a half-day's worth of effort? It's a pile of dirt, of course! I've never seen Hoagland's book, but I do recall having seen the "face" images in a couple of magazines. What I don't recall is ever having seen the dark side of the face visible in picture 70A13. Adjusting the gray scale stretch to bring out the detail in this region breaks the facial "symmetry" entirely. The right side of the "mouth" doesn't go across, it goes up, so the "nose" and "chin" features just look like mounds of dirt. The most interesting thing is an extremely dark feature, about where you might expect an ear lobe on the right side of the "face". It appears to be circular, like a crater, and is embedded in a ridge on the far right side of the face. So adjusting the contrast for the highlights reveals a face, but adjusting for the shadows reveals "normal" planetary features. Smoothing doesn't affect the gross features as the noise is not very bad and the glitches are separated by many pixels. I looked up the region in the Viking Orbiter Picture catalog. It's in the southeast quadrant of the Planitia Acidalia, an interesting region having many well separated little mountains. There is no apparent large-scale regularity, just landscape. So why hasn't NASA made greater efforts to bring this disproof to light? Why should they? It's just a trick of the lighting! They already said it was a trick of the lighting and apparently most people have been satisfied with that answer (if they ever knew the question in the first place!). There never was a cover-up, wasn't any need for one, and if researchers don't seem interested it is because a) they'd rather be doing science and b) the people who pay their salaries (i.e., taxpayers) have deemed the "face" a nonissue. ---- "Drive Friendly or Die" | Dale M. Greer Proposed Texas License Plate Motto | Center for Space Sciences -- Anonymous | University of Texas at Dallas | UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER The opinions are my own, and may or may not reflect those of my employer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 89 10:59:03 CDT From: Andy Edeburn To: Subject: Flame On!!! Alright, let's get a few things straight out there. (1.) RTG's. Let be real folks. This is not the first time NASA has launched RTG's from the Cape. This is the first time they have been launched by the shuttle. All previous launches were done with Titans. The TITAN has a much a higher risk factor than the shuttle. And realistically, RTG's emit _less_ radiation than the average color TV set in a day's time. The possibilities of them doing any damage to the environment are about as high as Dan Quayle winning a Nobel prize for Physics. (2.) Fears of Infecting the Jovian System. How many of you people claim to be scientists? How many of you took basic college biology or microbiology courses? Wake up! Most bacteria or viruses do not survive in temperatures above 130 degress Celsius or below -50 degrees Celsius. Seeing how temperatures in the vacuum go farther beyond either of these two extremes, your fears of microbial infection at Jupiter seem pretty ridiculous, don't you think? (3.) The Saturn V The Saturn V is dead. The technology surrounding it was outdated before it launched Apollo 8. We have to build a new heavy-lift vehicle before the year 2000 if we want to reach Mars. Private industry has to build it because NASA moves like a pregnant water buffalo. (4.) Mars Let's face it, we're never going to get to Mars alone. It is going to take a world-wide effort. You rednecks better get over the fears and paranoia about working with the Soviets, because right now, they're kicking our a__ in the newly reborn space-race. Think before you post!!! +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andy Edeburn {CC62@SDSUMUS} | "It is always better to trust | | Computing Center & Data Processing | your dog, rather than your | | South Dakota State University | neighbors." - Walton | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | InterNet: CC62%SDSUMUS.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 89 23:09:43 GMT From: nis!pwcs!royf@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU (Roy Forsstrom) Subject: Re: Space Station Strangles NASP In article <4983@omepd.UUCP> larry@omews10.intel.com (Larry Smith) writes: > >Quoting SPACE NEWS Sept. 18, 1989 (the preview issue of the new ... >aerospace plane was deleted from the agency's spending plan". > >This is absurd. Just like the Ford Model-T enabled people for the >first time to AFFORDABLY travel hundreds of miles from their homes, >and the DC-3 to AFFORDABLY travel thousands of miles, the national .... >1990's concept !! Look at it yet another way ... X-30 would cost the same >as about 4 B-2s. Which gives a better return ? Ah, Larry, you hit the nail on the head here! The X-30 is primarily a military plane, as is the shuttle. Perhaps the some hold the belief that the SR-71 doesn't need a replacement aircraft. -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Roy Forsstrom 612-298-5569 | Traveling makes one modest. You see Public Works Computer Services | what tiny place you occupy in the world. pwcs!royf royf@pwcs.StPaul.GOV | -Flaubert -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 89 08:49:32 GMT From: attctc!tlsi!Henry.Spencer@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Shuttle to HEO or the Moon (was Re: Saturn V & F-1) -- --+--+ +------+ Internet: Henry.Spencer@tlsi.FIDONET.ORG | | | | UUCP : ...!attctc!tlsi!Henry.Spencer | | +---+ | Note : TLSI is a FREE gateway for mail between | | | | : Usenet and Fidonet. For more informations + +----+---+ + : write to root@tlsi or attctc!tlsi!root TLSI: The Hard Drive Specialists - (214) 263-0707. We repair most brands. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 89 20:52:33 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: Astronauts named for five space shuttle missions (Forwarded) Sarah Keegan Headquarters, Washington, D.C. September 29, 1989 Jeffrey Carr Johnson Space Center, Houston RELEASE: 89-154 ASTRONAUTS NAMED FOR FIVE SPACE SHUTTLE MISSIONS Astronaut crew assignments have been made for five Space Shuttle missions in late 1990 and early 1991, including the first assignments from the astronaut class of 1987, the first U.S. Coast Guard astronaut to fly, the first European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut to be named as a mission specialist and the first black woman to be selected for space flight. The crew of the STS-41 mission, set for October 1990, will be commanded by USN Capt. Richard N. Richards. USMC Lt. Col. Robert D. Cabana has been named as pilot. Mission specialists are USN Capt. William M. Shepherd, USCG Cmdr. Bruce E. Melnick, and USAF Maj. Thomas D. Akers. Melnick and Akers will become the first of the astronaut class of 1987 to fly in space. At an orbital altitude of 160 miles, the crew of Atlantis will deploy the space probe ULYSSES on its way to a major solar science mission in polar orbit around the sun. USN Capt. Michael L. Coats will command the crew of Discovery on STS-39, an unclassified Department of Defense mission scheduled for November 1990. The pilot will be USAF Maj. L. Blaine Hammond, Jr. Mission specialists are Gregory J. Harbaugh and USAF Maj. Donald R. McMonagle. Previously assigned as mission specialists for the flight are USAF Col. Guion S. Bluford, Jr., Richard J. Hieb, Ph.D., and Charles Lacy Veach. During the 8-day mission, the crew will deploy, rendezvous with and retrieve the free-flying Infrared Background Signature Survey, a sensor experiment to gather signature data on a variety of infrared, visible and ultraviolet sources. Kathryn D. Sullivan, Ph.D., and C. Michael Foale, Ph.D., have been named as mission specialists for the Atmospheric Laboratory for Applications and Science (ATLAS-01) mission, STS- 45. In March 1991, the crew of Columbia will spend 9 days in Earth orbit conducting studies of the sun and of the Earth's atmosphere in efforts to better understand the effect of solar activity on the Earth's climate and environment. ATLAS-01 payload specialists Michael L. Lampton, Ph.D., of the University of California at Berkley, and Byron K. Lichtenberg, of Payload Systems, Inc., were selected for this mission in 1984. Additional crew members will be announced later. In another partial crew assignment, USN Cmdr. Robert L. "Hoot" Gibson has been named to command the crew of STS-46. NASA astronauts Jeffrey A. Hoffman, Ph.D., and Franklin R. Chang-Diaz, Ph.D., plus Claude Nicollier, a European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut assigned to NASA, have been named to fly as mission specialists. During their 7-day mission, the crew of Atlantis will deploy the European Retrievable Carrier (EURECA), an ESA- sponsored free flying platform which will be retrieved and returned to Earth 8 months later. This first flight of EURECA features 5 multi-user facilities serving some 45 principal investigators in the material and life sciences. In addition, the crew will demonstrate the Tethered Satellite System (TSS), a joint project between NASA and the Italian space agency, Agenzia Spaziale Italiana. The Shuttle- attached TSS will provide for the deployment, operation and retrieval of a data gathering probe through the use of a tether system which provides constant physical and electrical connection and RF communication between the probe and the Shuttle. The STS-47 crew for Spacelab-J, a joint venture between the United States and Japan to conduct experiments in life sciences and materials processing, include mission specialists USAF Lt. Col. Mark C. Lee and N. Jan Davis, Ph.D. Mae C. Jemison, M.D., also will fly aboard Discovery on that mission in June 1991. Jemison, assigned as a payload specialist, becomes the first black woman to be selected for a space flight. Other crew members will be named later. - - - Richards, who will make his second space flight, his first as commander, flew as pilot on STS-28. He was born August 24, 1946, in Key West, Fla., but considers St. Louis his hometown. Cabana will make his first flight in space. He was born Jan. 23, 1949, in Minneapolis. Shepherd will make his second flight, having flown as a mission specialist on STS-27. He was born July 26, 1949, in Oak Ridge, Tenn. Melnick will make his first space flight. He was born Dec. 5, 1949, in New York City, but considers Clearwater, Fla., his hometown. Akers will make his first flight in space. He was born May 20, 1951, in St. Louis, but considers Eminence, Mo., his hometown. Coats will make his third space flight, his second as commander. He flew as pilot of STS-41D and as commander of STS- 29. Coats was born Jan. 16, 1946, in Sacramento, Calif., but considers Riverside, Calif., his hometown. Hammond will make his first flight. He was born Jan. 16, 1952, in Savannah, Ga. McMonagle, selected in 1987 as a pilot, will make his first flight as a mission specialist. He was born May 14, 1952, in Flint, Mich. Harbaugh also will make his first flight in space. He was born April 15, 1956, in Cleveland, but Willoughby, Ohio, is his hometown. Sullivan, currently in training for her second space flight, STS-31, will make her third flight. She flew previously as a mission specialist on STS-41G. Sullivan was born Oct. 3, 1951, in Paterson, N.J., but considers Woodland Hills, Calif., her hometown. Foale, an American citizen born in England, will make his first flight in space. He was born Jan. 6, 1957, in Louth, but considers Cambridge, England, his hometown. Gibson, making his fourth flight, has flown previously as pilot on STS-41B and as commander on STS-61C and STS-27. He was born Oct. 30, 1946, in Cooperstown, N.Y., but Lakewood, Calif., is his hometown. Hoffman, who will make his third flight, is currently in training for his second Shuttle mission, STS-35. He flew as a mission specialist on STS-51D. Hoffman was born Nov. 2, 1944, in Brooklyn, N.Y., but considers Scarsdale, N.Y., his hometown. Chang-Diaz, currently preparing for mission STS-34, will make his third flight. He flew previously as a mission specialist on STS-61C. Chang-Diaz was born April 5, 1950, in San Jose, Costa Rica. Nicollier, making his first flight, will be the first ESA astronaut to fly as a mission specialist. Under a special agreement between NASA and ESA, he was assigned to receive mission specialist training at NASA in 1980. He was born Sept. 2, 1944, in Vevey, Switzerland. Lee flew as a mission specialist on STS-30. He was born Aug. 14, 1952, in Viroqua, Wis. Davis, making her first space flight, was born Nov. 1, 1953, in Cocoa Beach, Fla., but considers Huntsville, Ala., her hometown. Jemison will make her first flight in space. She was born Oct. 17, 1956, in Decatur, Ala. ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V10 #106 *******************